Anti-semites and Anti-anti-semites both indulge in irrationality to win points:

The 'jewish question' is probably the most divisive force in white nationalism. Nor is there any prospect that it can be papered over, or that one side or the other will ever win a final victory. This is because there is truth to both sides and the question is largely solved subjectively, not objectively. Basically, there is no objective answer to the jewish question, because there isn't enough information to make an informed, and perfectly precise, judgment.

One of the reasons everyone keeps talking about jews is because, intellectually, they're an interesting puzzle. It's fun to debate because there's no clear winner. It's like global warming. Since there's still insufficient information people can have fun debates over its verity. No one debates whether the Earth is round or orbits around the sun anymore -- it's boring -- one side just has too much evidence. The same is true for white nationalism. What's the point in arguing about blacks. Everyone realizes the score after reading a couple books on IQ and just looking at countries like Haiti.

Despite how fun it is to debate unsettled issues, I think it demeans the people involved, because they always stoop to cheap tactics in order to win their debates, instead of cleaving to a philosophical pursuit of truth.

Here's a list of questions surrounding jews, and why being anti-semitic (specifically hating or loathing jews as jews), or anti-anti-semitic (hatred and loathing towards anti-semites), are both irrational.

Jews support various policies, like gun control, limits to free speech, high taxes, welfare, low penalties to crime, egalitarianism, mass immigration, etc, which tend to be highly injurious to their white hosts. No one can debate this, because we have their voting record -- 80% for Obama. We also have their fundraising record, the fact that all jews in the senate and supreme court are democrats, and so on.

Anti-semites have to prove a further step, however, that is impossible to prove. Do jews do this as jews? Or are they doing it for some other motive unrelated to their jewish ethnicity?

Since it's impossible to read people's minds, why do we think jews act as jews when they vote as liberals? There are three other possible explanations.

1. Jews are acting as liberals, not jews.
2. Jews are acting according to their understanding of the jewish faith, not as ethnic jews.
3. Jews are acting as capitalist/plutocrats, not jews.

In the above cases, it is illegitimate to be an anti-semite, since their jewish ethnicity is irrelevant to the cause of your angst.

However, is it true that no jews embrace these positions as jews? That also seems highly unlikely, especially when we have so many speeches made by jews dripping with anti-white hatred or paranoia. There has to be at least some segment of the jewish population which embraces policy positions on the basis of ethnic grievances. The ADL is a good example.

Jews are acting as jews when they make an argument via this logic:

1. This sort of thinking leads to a Holocaust.
2. You're a nazi!
3. Only the destruction of all majority white nations will ever allow jews to live peaceably as one minority among many, never oppressed by their hosts again.
4. Jews have been persecuted and murdered for thousands of years by evil white Christians and finally we will have our revenge by undermining and erasing everything these evil persecutors cared about or fought for when targeting jews in the past.
5. Whites are especially dangerous people who must be more closely policed and fettered than any other group, because whites tried to exterminate jews, whereas other groups only killed millions of Chinese, Russians, Congolese, or Indians.

Since jews are constantly wailing about the Holocaust and treating it like the worst atrocity in human history, this is a firm patch of ground where jews are acting as jews. Only because of their partiality towards jews could they treat the death of a mere 6 million people as worse than Mao's Great Leap Forward or the muslim conquest of India or Stalin's bloody reign over the USSR. Only by treating the murder of a jew as an especially vile crime can they pretend whites are most racist than other groups, who have all butchered and genocided their neighbors for thousands of years too. Anti-semites have a reasonable objection when their kids are taught about the Holocaust practically every year in school, but never hear a wisp of the atrocities of the Mongols, Arabs, Aztecs, Chinese or Japanese who have all done worse -- especially in countries that belong to the Allies' side during the war! What on Earth did America have to do with the Holocaust, except that we stopped it? Why, then, was a holocaust museum built on the memorial lawn of Washington D.C. before even a World War II memorial for our own soldiers who died for their own country in that war?

Whenever jews talk about being jewish victims, they are speaking as jews, not as liberals, plutocrats, libertarians, or people of faith. Ironically, the soundest basis for anti-semitism is when jews whine about anti-semitism.

Even supposing jews have been unfairly treated in the past, it is hard to see why a host nation should live among a group of people who hates, loathes, fears, or desires vengeance on you. Even Germans, who may well merit all the jewish venom jews can possibly summon, are under no obligation to live in the same country with people who hate and wish to kill/humiliate them. This is even more true when you consider the objective facts of jewish power. Perhaps if jews nursed their grievances in silence, without any ability to act on this ethnic animosity, it could be passed over as negligible. But when this same group is extremely wealthy, has a disproportionate role in Congress, the Cabinet, and the Supreme Court, accounts for half of the most prominent figures in opinion journalism, produces most movies and tv shows, runs several large banks and think tanks, etc -- a cold shiver has to run down your spine. What could people with this much power do if motivated by hatred, fear, loathing, or vengeance towards their white hosts? It is only a small step to imagine that all the ills in our country aren't a coincidence and were actively chosen as the method of these ethnic, aggrieved, powerful jews to gain their revenge.

There's no need for a conspiracy in this case. All it takes is a large segment of jews all holding the same feelings, based on shared history and shared aggrievement, each acting out personally their own personal war on the 'evil white nazi gassing' hosts they live among. If enough jews are convinced through constant retellings of the Holocaust and pogroms and Crusades that whites are fundamentally evil jew haters, then they could well act as jews in a demented form of self-defense to get back at us in any way they could.

But the question remains, in the absence of a damning quote, how can we know which jews are acting in pursuit of their own selfish personal goals (plutocrats who seek cheap labor to gain higher profits), out of their faith (love the stranger), out of ideology (why can't we all just get along? everyone's equal under the skin), or out of ethnic grievance? Those motivated by ethnic grievance could well be wearing another motivation as camouflage. Likewise, anti-semites can see everyone who legitimately believes what they believe as camouflaged posers actually acting out of ethnic grievance.

Is there a winner in this debate? No, the correct answer to this multiple choice question is 'E: not enough information.' Anti-semites are wrong to say all jews (or even most jews) are out to get their hosts due to pure hatred. Anti-anti-semites are wrong to say no jews (or even few jews) are acting as jews and that only an evil irrational person could imagine such a thing. This is because we just don't KNOW. Logic requires that ANY CONCLUSION REACHED from insufficient information is wrong, whether it's one way or the other! The best answer to this quandary is to take everyone at face value for what motivates them, but rigorously debate and discredit those jews who do argue out of ethnic grievance. For instance, an anti-semite could say, when arguing with a liberal jew who has said, "We're all equal, only nazis who want to create a second holocaust could talk about things like this. Why don't you accept the need for new labor to improve the economy and heed God's word to love thy neighbor?"

"Setting aside your liberal, religious, and economic arguments, which can each be dealt with in turn, I object vociferously to the idea that because the Nazis held certain thoughts or did certain things, entire fields of inquiry are forever denied us. No one rules out entire fields of thought because Communists once held those views, or Muslims held those views, or Mongols held those views, even though they all resulted in massive bloodshed too. Freedom of inquiry is too precious to be sacrificed to one historical incident among many, a thing of ancient history with no relevance to the debate being discussed today. Furthermore, constantly worrying about a second holocaust may be of relevance to jews, but public policy should not be based around maximizing the safety of jewish life in a community, but in the welfare of the whole community. If jews insist on maximizing their own safety in a community by, for instance, not allowing whites to defend themselves against black crime or speak out against black crime as a public danger, because they fear it might lead to racism which leads to anti-semitism which leads to a second Holocaust, whites have the right to object that the safety of the jewish community in some hypothetical scenario cannot trump the clear and present danger whites face from black crime everyday. In short, whenever jews attempt to gain special privileges in public debate, by ruling out anything beneficial to the public because it might lead to personal damage to the jewish community, I must insist that the well-being of 98% of the country is more important than the well-being of the remaining 2%. If jews cannot be comfortable in a society that IS comfortable for the remaining 98% of us, they should consider moving somewhere else, instead of making the remaining 98% of the people uncomfortable in order to accommodate them!"

Anti-semites and Anti-anti-semites are both irrational when it comes to HBD and Israel as well.

Anti-semites who point at disparities between jews and whites, leave out the crucial element of difference in IQ between the two groups. But at the same time, anti-anti-semites make the same mistake by failing at basic math, which would discover that even with jews at 115 IQ and whites at 100 IQ on average, a country such as America should have 5/6ths of smart people, and 2/3 of super-geniuses, white, not jews. The idea that jews have gained complete dominance of the media, hollywood, harvard admissions or banking due to their merit is absurd. It is statistically impossible for whites to fall this far behind in a country with 30 times as many whites as jews in it.

It is obvious that two factors are at work here -- one is merit, but another is some mysterious X factor, something that weighs certain fields in a way that favors jews beyond what their intelligence merits. Perhaps it's something as simple as the verbal nature of the job, which jews excel at. Or perhaps it has to do with stereotypes (more jews pursue law because they have more successful jewish role models in law, than, say, the army.) Or perhaps the anti-semites are right and it has to do with fraud, collusion, discrimination, or a giant conspiracy. In any case, it cannot, mathematically, be just due to merit. Again we have anti-semites overstepping the evidence and accusing, a priori, jews of malicious evil deeds -- but we also have anti-anti-semites ignoring the evidence and ruling out any possibility that shines poorly on jews, even though the math clearly shows intelligence alone cannot explain the world we live in. By ruling out any basis for anti-semitic suspicion, they then turn around and call anti-semites irrational bigots, idiots, lunatics, etc. Anti-semites when regarded fairly can be wrong, they can be overly suspicious, but they are hardly idiots or lunatics. There is a clear basis for their reasoning, just as good as people's opinions over global warming, the efficacy of wind power, or any other modern debate. Treating only anti-semites as pariahs for a minor leap of logic just because you don't like the conclusion of anti-semites, while not castigating other minor leaps of logic in other debates because you feel no moral urgency about the winner of the debate, is a double standard. Truth is the ONLY moral urgency in all debates. There cannot be two standards of judging a person's argument, one where you don't like the conclusion, and one where you do.

The correct answer to jewish over-representation is 'E: not enough information.' Rather than wondering whether jews merit their power or not, the real question should be 'is America (or any country) better or worse off due to this jewish power, whether merited or unmerited?' If jews won their positions via merit, but then use all of their power to harm America, we shouldn't want them in those positions however fairly earned. Loyalty to America and love of its host people (whites) is a critical factor in who we should want to hold power in our country, above and beyond test scores or profit margins. If jews didn't merit any of their positions, but use what power they have to help save the world and deliver a better tomorrow, we should likewise look the other way. In the end only results matter. The means, like usual, are just a distraction.

Anti-semites commonly demonize Israel as oppressing or murdering non-whites, or conquering non-white land. These people at the exact same time defend their European ancestors, the Confederacy, segregation, apartheid, etc. They also have zero interest in the human rights of other groups being violated, so long as it isn't being done by jews. The hypocrisy and double standards when it comes to criticism of Israel is painfully redolent.

However, anti-anti-semites make the same mistake when they treat all criticism of Israel as anti-semitic. One of the best arguments of anti-semitism, one that points out where jews are clearly acting out of jewish, ethnic, self-interest, is when the same jew supports racist or imperialist practices in Israel, but opposes those self-same racist or imperialist practices in their host country. "Racism for me but not for thee!" Anti-semites use Israel's banning of non-jewish citizenship rights, restriction of immigration, violence against Palestinians, and say, "Jews don't mind when they follow these policies to their benefit, but they won't allow us to follow the same policy to our own benefit, because HERE those policies wouldn't benefit THEM, unlike THERE where it does." When anti-semites are pointing out hypocrisy and selfishness among jews, anti-anti-semites pretend the anti-semites are themselves hypocrites! "How can you want to restrict immigration but argue against Israel's border control?" That ISN'T what the anti-semite is saying! What he's saying is he wants the same rights to persecute or conquer minorities as jews give Israel, or for jews to shut up. That's eminently rational and fair, unlike the words anti-anti-semites put into anti-semite's mouths.

All white nationalists should support Israel. What could we want more than self-determination and segregation between all ethnic groups? Isn't that the whole point of our movement? Most whites live outside our original borders and have imperialism to thank for our existence -- we have zero right to criticize Israel for having done the same. The crimes of Israel against the Palestinians is nothing compared to what we did to black slaves or Indian tribes. There is no basis for criticizing Israel or Israel's policies.

But we have every right to complain when jews support Israel on one hand, and liberalism on the other. When jews make excuses and special exceptions for jewish racism, but think it's unforgivable and unacceptable for any form of white self-preservation or identity to exist. Anti-anti-semites who can't tell these two positions apart are just a large a problem as bigoted anti-semites just looking for ways to attack jews without any regard to logic or their own principles.